![]() September 13, 2006Ontology of Threats: Islamists vs. the SovietsNot that my opinion matters in this discussion among heavyweights, but Stephen Green and Glenn Reynolds have put forward some very thought provoking posts about the nature of the Islamists we are facing today. Stephen Green offers a substantive disagreement to Glenn Reynolds's view of the level of danger posed by our current Islamist enemies: It’s not often I disagree with Glenn Reynolds on an issue of substance, but in this case, the Instapundit couldn’t be more wrong. Read: Hypotheticals are very instructive and can shed light on complex problems, but let me step back a bit here to point out that the Cold War history has been written. The score on that one ended up with Democracy/Capitalism defeating Totalitarianism/Communism. Nukes were not exchanged, but several proxy wars broke out in Korea, Vietnam, Afhghanistan, Central and South America, and even Eastern Europe if you count the brief attempts at revolution that were violently supressed by the Soviets. The death toll was significant, but almost nothing compared to the two World Wars or the American Civil War. So far, the death toll in this war hasn't reached anything close to the Cold War, let alone blood baths that I mentioned above. However, the Islamists are not finished, and I think it is fair to compare their nature more to the Japanese on Iwo Jima--we will probably have to fight to the last man. Glenn and others are correct in pointing out that the Islamists are in no ways as sophisticated (ideologically, socially or technologically) as the Soviets were, but they have proven to be very schrewd in taking our technological advances and using them against us. Now, back to the future, if you will. The ultimate hypothetical fear, of course, is a nuclear, biological or chemical attack on our homeland. Now, I'm not of the hysterical opinion that the moment the Iranians get the bomb, we can expect LA or New York to go up in a firey inferno shortly after, however, based on my assumption above, it is not too far fetched to think that over the course of the next fifty years, there will be an Islamist group that could conceivably end up with a few WMDs. Kennedy was able to stare down Khrushchev in a game of nuclear blackmale, but I'm not so convinced that our Islamist enemies would be so willing to do the same. Mostly likely, if they did have the capability, they wouldn't advertise it for all the world to see to demonstrate power projection of their pseudo-proxy--it would be used as an offensive weapon just as they tactically used four hijacked airplanes. If they were able to sneak one in, the casualty count could in an instant make the Cold War look like domestic spat over the remote control. In my opinion, it is more likely that an attack would occur against either Israel, a free Iraq (where the U.S. military is still actively concentrated), or somewhere in Europe versus the American homeland. Direct attacks on United States soil presents a lot of logistical problems that can be avoided. Regardless of where and when, it is clear that the only deterrant to this threat is to send them to their 72-virgins before they can get a shot off. The mainstream media has negatively likened this to a "whack-a-mole" strategy, however the current administration has developed a policy that attacks the Islamists strategy. A resource poor organization who is logistically challenged now has to fight in their own backyard. Tactically, we have many challenges, and it is made even more difficult by our culture that has been trained to expect the three-week Hail Mary solution to defeating an enemy. Mythical short-term solutions are a completely absurd way of defeating an enemy who refuses to compromise or be taken alive. Over time, we have more than enough capability to finish this off, but the West has to stay committed to a long-term fight. While the Soviets were a much more powerful enemy who could have set a war off with a much more devestating loss of life, they didn't. The Islamists, on the otherhand, are only limited by capabiity, not by desire. If they gain even a fraction of what the Soviets achieved technologically, we could see the single biggest human catastrophe in history. So, based on this, I'll echo Stephen Green's thoughts and choose a good Cold War scrap any day of the week, and twice on Sunday, over those we are facing now. Posted by 10 fingers 6 strings at September 13, 2006 08:21 AM | TrackBackComments
I see the mnerits of both arguments, and I think that if the two of them sat down in the same room, they'd probably find they are more in agreement than disagreement. I'm tending to the Glenn side of the argument, myself -- the Soviets were a huge threat, and the stakes we played for were "all in". Radical Islam is a threat in the long term, certainly to the health of Europe, and we do have to worry about the lucky shot. But tote up the Cold War caualties and you've got something like 125,000 U.S. dead, over a 45 year period. That's 2777 a year, or almost a 9/11 or an Iraq war every year (obviously the numbers were higher during the Vietnam and Korean wars). We've had 5 years of this war and roughly 6000 dead (9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan), or roughly 1200 a year. So using that rather superficial argument, I'd say that the war on terror (so far) is roughly 43% what the Cold War was, strictly in terms of our dead. What is worrisome (and makes me see Green's side of things) is that the balance of casualties was virtually all military, where in the WoT, it is fully 50% civilian. The Cold War was more intense, but the WoT is more ghastly. More like World War II in that resepct -- women and children are targets in a way they weren't during the bulk of the Cold War. Posted by: The Colossus at September 13, 2006 04:31 PMThe first line in that last paragraph should read " . . .the balance of casualties in the Cold War was virtually all military" if it's not clear from the context. Posted by: The Colossus at September 13, 2006 04:37 PMGlenn isn't necessarily wrong as Steven is right, as you said, but I think I tried to put it into the same context that you did. So far the WoT is waaaaaay below the casualty count, and the Soviets had the ability to nuke us into the 3rd century. But, even though its history written with a lot of scary almosts, the Cold War is over, but the battle against Islamism is just underway. I think there is a synthesis argument here. The Islamists are unsophisticated, and we can contain them by actively being on the offensive. However, if we pull out of this fight too early, we'll be dealing with a bunch of murders who would leap at the opportunity to kill millions of us. The ontology of the threat favors the jihadis, and that is what scares me about the current political tide swinging wide left. If we can hold out and keep the pressure on over there, we can beat these guys. Posted by: TF6S at September 13, 2006 04:54 PMDemographics favor them, also. Time is on their side, especially in Europe. But Europe and America are also a contagions for them; for every one jihadi who gains knowledge of how to destroy us, three are created who decide that the freedom is better than what they have at home. We win the war ultimately not by bludgeoning them to death, but by, in a sense, corrupting them -- or civilizing them. Of course, the Romans thought the same thing -- who would choose to be a barbarian after he saw Rome? -- so victory is by no means certain. We need to convert them to the cause of liberty faster than they gain the tools with which to destroy us. Let's hope the American people see this. Posted by: The Colossus at September 13, 2006 06:53 PMGood thoughts. I think I'll use them as a basis for another post. As a teaser, in history, I think that human nature leans towards wanting to control one another. Tyrannies seem to be the natural state of human nautre, and our entire Constitution and system of government is based on limiting that as much as possible. Posted by: TF6S at September 14, 2006 08:30 AMSomething the founders realized, but modern Americans don't. Posted by: The Colossus at September 14, 2006 08:39 AMEnjoyed reading this post...informative and interesting perspectives. Thanks. Posted by: C.S. Scott at September 14, 2006 03:07 PM42345435cwerj,k1213 Posted by: fobos at March 3, 2008 05:53 PMPost a comment
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